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kla samon Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.01.31 09:17:00 - [1] - Quote I have nothing against suicide ganking, however; there is currently nothing the victims can do to retaliate against the gankers. They can take precautions, such as limiting the value of what they haul etc. but they can't hit back in a meaningful way against someone who is willing to hide behind some disposable alt losing their ship to see you lose yours. What I propose is the ability to haul decoy cargo. When scanned down it would look like real cargo but when popped all that drops is space junk. I for one would be more than happy to slow boat from one end of the universe to another, losing haulers to drink up bitter ganker tears. According to the gankers that is the real reason of eve right? Drinking up the tears of others? I've never been the victim of a suicide gank but i'd be more than willing to be one Hell I'd even be willing to sacrifice the occasional freighter for this cause.
kla samon Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.01.31 09:29:00 - [2] - Quote Another quick thought. The wrecks of anyone Concorded should belong to the victims of the suicide gank and their fleet. In adittion a new bounty system could be put in place so the the victim of the suicide gank would get a restitution bounty based on the suicide gankers ships used. Obviously the restitution system would have to be fine tuned but it should set up to be good enough to be break even against most suicide ganks. This way, a successful suicide gank = gankers profit and a successful gankbait = gankbaiter profit.
kla samon Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.01.31 09:31:00 - [3] - Quote Siex wrote: yea good idea Jita spam is bad enough, could you imagine if there was decoy valueless CNRs... omg I will still collect your tears... this is EVE, and tear collecting will evolves with your pitiful attempts to curb it Easy solution, make the junk despawn after a few minutes. You can't collect my tears. I just don't care enough... However, it's fun to see responses like yours when someone suggests evening up the playing field. Mmmmm yummy.
kla samon Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2012.02.01 15:26:00 - [4] - Quote Mag's wrote: Serge Bastana wrote: Mag's wrote: Msgerbs wrote: Because removing insurance wasn't enough? Some of us said it wouldn't be, guess we have been proven right. All that these threads prove is that the whiners don't want to learn, or use the tools provided to avoid ganks. The fact that my alt still has the same BR since they were allowed to fit the covert cloak, says all I need to know about just how safe empire hauling is now. It's not even fitted for speed, it's fitted for maximum cargo space. Yet the whiners still want more change, after the insurance nerf. What a joke you are. As I've said on other similar posts, part of the problem seems to be players coming into EVE from other MMOs and expecting the same sort of cotton wool treatment they get there. Learning to not be a victim can go a long way. Oh I completely agree. For them it's far easier to run to the forums and whine about game mechanics that have existed by design from day one. This thread isn't a whine about suicide ganking at all. I don't want suicide ganking taken out of the game . Nor do i want it harder for them to blow up a ship. I just want a more dynamic mechanism for all parties involved. It's funny though, when someone suggests an idea that threatens easy mode play , whiners come. From what it seems suicide gankers are no better than incursion bears when it comes to suggesting a different approach than the easy mode they currently enjoy. I think gankbears might be an appropriate term. It seems only fair that suicide gankers are able to be targeted in a unique manner as well as them being able to blow up and profit from the unprepared hauler.
kla samon Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2012.02.01 15:31:00 - [5] - Quote Fidelium Mortis wrote: Don't you get kill rights on someone if they suicide gank your ship? Odds are they probably operate in the area, so you can fit something to counter them and hunt them down. Sure you get rights to the alts that they could care less about and are probably a few days from being recycled. Suicide gankers have no counter. Decoy cargo offers a counter that allows them to do what they like to do (blow up ships) and other players to do what they would like to do (inflict meaningful damage) to gankers. Currently the only problem I see with suicide ganking is that it allows people to hide behind alts and profit without any real meaningful counter. I'm all for blowing up ships in highsec, however; I'm also for the ability to implement true repercussions.
kla samon Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2012.02.02 11:35:00 - [6] - Quote Again, I'd like to point out that this isn't a nerf suicide ganking thread. This isn't an OP lost his cargo to a suicide gank so lets come to the forums and nerd rage thread. There is no need to explain to the OP how to avoid being suicide ganked. I know how to avoid getting ganked. I'll say it again, I've never been ganked. I realize it's easy to see 'suicide ganking' in the thread title and jumped to the above conclusions without taking the time to fully read and comprehend the proposal. I suggested the ability to haul decoy cargo because I think it would add another layer of fun and open up a new line of work for the citizens of eve. I understand gankbears are protective of their chosen trade. In no way did I suggest a nerf to them shooting ships. Hell, buff more ships like destroyers so its easier to skill up and shoot industrials. While we are at it, let players haul decoy cargo to try and bait people into shooting us. I would think pirates and tear collectors out there would love this idea. Not only do you get to shoot industrials and try to profit off the loot but you can also bait other pirates into shooting you thus increasing the violencing of more ships, more loot, and more yar!

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